darkstalker kaathe or frampt

All this does not fit the description, imo, of Frampt for supposedly being a soul hungry beast. Perhaps we are kindred spirits. Instead of one serpent, there are two with a common goal. That's where the cunning part comes in. Meaning that we must now take what we learn in this city of pygmies and reflect on the events of Dark Souls, so that we may see them in a new light. Can't say for sure, but considering that we know the Serpents have an unending hunger and capacity to consume, it all fits very nicely with the Skull Ring's description, and the symbol upon it, which upon closer inspection, seems to be no normal skull. In a lot ways, it is. 2. 7 years ago. Not to mention that being an insatiable, soul devouring monster is compmetely unfitting of Kaathe and Frampt. You literally kind of debunk your own theory by noting how he gives you MORE souls then what some souls are worth themselves. I think Kaathe and Frampt were definitely against each other. This repeated fire-linking is not only beneficial, but somewhat necessary, as it, along with the persona of Frampt, will serve to satisfy and lull the remaining Gods into a sense of security, thinking that all is as they wish it to be. It may also depend on whether you want to host fights in Forest or no (since you will have to kill Sif and Four Kings to get Kaathe). An adjustment I'd be wiling to make to the theory is that Frampt and Kaathe were still separate beings, but were always working together. This is important. As you'd expect, we see the residual footprint of the Primordial Serpent. Discriminatory language (racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc.) 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]SurrogateOfKos 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). The existence of more serpents hardly changes anything. The community password is "GG", having a password will ignore all level and weapon restrictions. Get the dark set (My fav armor) and leave convenent for another one like darkmoon (Like I did). Rendered by PID 10181 on r2-app-07fa2a8c9fa1f218b at 2020-12-04 14:42:38.699149+00:00 running a7f2daa country code: GB. The single serpent thing just made for an interesting narrative. That makes a lot more sense now that I think of it: previously I was seeing theories that Ludleth was the souleater, but I never could figure out what the odor bit was about. Sometime later, midir became the darkeater...I believe the darkeater consumed the darkstalker, at some unknown point in time, [–]Spyer2k 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (1 child). "Kaathe and Frampt will serve your highness". It was in Frampt's best interest to keep it a secret, as he was never their ally to begin with. Nice read. Please read the full community rules and guidelines. He doesn't seem overly upset or disturbed by it, nor does he attempt to get you back to his side. We find a destroyed Firelink in the boss room of the Demon Prince. After rooting through the game files, hardcore Souls fans discovered that … DkS3 Builds [–]Blood_Addled_Hoonter 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). clearly the land has changed, and the hole is not as it was in Dark Souls. Frampt is either willfully dishonest, or just has a bias towards Gwyn because he strayed away from his kind’s true purpose of forcing the inhabitants of the earth to adjust to the new ages. Are you asking who to give The Lord vessel too? The Serpent is the Souleater! [–]TheSpiritForce[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children). Self-promotion is allowed once weekly with community participation. [–]matthabib 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). Midir slurped up Kaathe like a noodle confirmed? Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. My Miracle build fashion, now with wings! ), while all the others are "dragons" that work to end the age of the gods. Dark Souls PVP I hadn't thought about that, but it kind of confuses things because Rosaria is postulated by some to be a corrupted Gwynevere, who is more analogous to Amaterasu. Sure enough, we see proof of this in the distant future, where Angels dwell in the ruins of Lothric, forever intertwined with the Londor Pilgrims who were once Lothric citizens. An excellent read, and a good alternate theory on the Serpents and their motivatons! Meme templates or satire should be posted to /r/ShittyDarkSouls.. No pictures of screens (TV, monitors, phones, tablets, etc.). Kaathe also wants the player to defeat Lord Gwyn, but to bring upon the Age of Dark instead. A war of the Angelic Faith. I always give it to Kaathe since having access to the Darkwraith covenant is far more valuable than gaining a few lousy souls by feeding items to Frampt. Although I'm less certain about that. Manus' for 18,000. This is the kind of lore hunting I like to see! This place is also home to The Four Kings, one of the hardest boss fights in all of Dark Souls. LoreKaathe and Frampt, One and the Same: Was it true, all along? Conjecture and headcanon but I think the primordial serpents came from the pus of pygmes and the first generation of humans. If they are curious enough to go against Frampt's request and venture into the Abyss to seek the truth, they are a candidate for Dark Lord. - Lordvessel is not required, but if placed on the alter prior to killing The Four Kings (regardless of talking to Kingseeker Frampt), the Darkwraith covenant becomes unavailable. The Skull Ring, judging by the skull we see on the Ring, was transposed from the soul of a Primordial Serpent. You say Frampt giving us 40000 souls is nothing compared to having Gwyn's lord soul. I have now begun to believe that there was never individual beings named Kingseeker Frampt and Darkstalker Kaathe. Path A - Obtain Lordvessel but don't talk to Frampt, you can proceed through New … I mean, its almost as if Miyazaki is tempting us to go back and think more on that old theory about the two serpents being... one and the same. The very fact that the world is as it is in Dark souls 3 tells us that Kaathe continued with this process, meaning that the Fire-Linking ending is the true ending of Dark Souls. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. The flame lives, as is necessary, and there is one less oblivious fool to pose a threat to Kaathe's plan. Incredibly well written and put together. So its worth it to him. Dark Souls 3 gave us more clarification on Kaathe's plans. Kaathe is a Primordial Serpent, just like Kingseeker Frampt. Nothing. Show More. I don't think this is the case. Humanity is plentiful in the Abyss, where his counterpart gets it from Darkwraiths all the time, but a Lord Soul like Gwyn's could be a rare treat for a creature with an unending hunger. Dark Souls Mods. An entire culture is built around it, celebrating and glorifying this act of Linking the First Flame, with the Kingdom of Lothric becoming the centerpiece of this Culture. Answer Save. Darkstalker Kaathe, also known as Master of the Abyss, is a Primordial Serpent just like Kingseeker Frampt. Basically if you don't talk to Frampt after you've got the Lordvessel and let him take you down into the shine he assumes you've sided with Kaathe (which may or may not be the case). Kaathe and Frampt have always been hard to figure out, even in the first game. The only reason that Frampt would give you so many souls for it isn't in some gamble to hope you bring him more souls (which he compensates you for...with more souls) but because it has sentimental value to him. (Hopefully that isn't too confusing) Edit: Alternate theories suggest that they are either separate beings who always worked together, or are the separate heads of one being. The very statues they erected in Frampt's honor would foreshadow their downfall, and hint at his true intentions all along, as Kaathe always intended. However, when Peril destroys the scroll to prevent greed… And with Kaathe, what exactly do we give him all that humanity for? Hence their connection with the abyss and the undead. The Undead Prophecy, a tool used by Frampt for his plans, is just as beneficial to Kaathe. That this city has been around for a long time, dating back to the events of Dark Souls, and likely even farther back than that. I suppose the serpents are in the game, in a sense. Dark Souls 2 Kaathe isn't going to pretend he wants you to link the fire, then actually let you do it if that was never his true intention. Frampt being the serpent that defects to the God's side (like Seath! The Serpent was known as the Soulfeeder, seemingly tying it to Frampt. We finally get the last pieces of the puzzle on the Oolicile story. Frampt breaks down mats into smaller ones and gives souls for feeding him, but it's not that worth it since you'll be earning lots of souls farming for the higher end mats that can be used to buy the lessers. From that point on, I will refer to the true serpent as Kaathe. Okay cool, in my mind I had them as the same creature. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. I know it's never gonna happen, but if they ever decided to continue the Dark Souls series I want it to take place after the flame fades for good and I want Darkstalker Kaathe to be the main antagonist. The only sign of angelic symbolism that existed in Lothric prior to the Angelic Faith was, you guessed it, the statues of the Primordial Serpent. Nope, you can`t. I've spent a lot of time thinking about this as I replayed the Ringed City DLC on NG+2. Hard to prove it true, hard to prove it false. The whole point of the Dreg Heap is that all the lands are mushing together, so they could justify putting in Firelink just for nostalgia. The issue now, is that he has a powerful undead who is accepting of the age of the Gods, and may someday present a threat to the Dark Lord if he is abandoned or turned away. 3 Answers. You can use both. [–]McHadiesLesrina 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). You may ultimately decide that this theory is a bunch of silly head-cannon, and leave it at that. 1 . tldr; Kaathe and Frampt have always been the same being, or at least of the same motive, working to complete a plan that would eventually outlive the Serpents, and end with us becoming the Lord of Hollows at the end of Dark Souls 3. 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]NKLhaxorDid you know that Predator is the best movie? The darkwraiths give an armor and a weapon that you can't get anywhere else. People have pointed out the skybox looking similar to the original Kiln from the first game. Many of us never thought too much on that, the Primordial Serpents may have very well been the biggest example of this greed that Serpents are known for. Once you talked to Frampt, Kaathe will get upset and won`t show up until new playthrough.That's so wrong lol. It is referred to as "insatiable", as in, unable to ever be satisfied, but that doesn't mean he suddenly became soul hungry, or rampaged to get said souls, or that he couldn't be cunning in how he got people to feed him. Usually, this is where the theory would stop. Darkstalker Kaathe lives down in the Abyss, which is at the bottom of New Londo Ruins. The Dreg Heap is definitely the future, just like with the Kiln, but when we get to the Ringed City itself, it all becomes more uncertain. I wish there was more information to go off of, it just feels like we don't know enough. [–]Blood_Addled_Hoonter 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children). Usage. You can still access the Lordvessel by jumping down the hole or by letting Darkstalker Kaathe carry you there from the Abyss (if you sided with him). Did you know that Predator is the best movie? You've put in a lot of work in this, haven't you? Even with Kaathe, although it is less direct, the humanity we give him may be something he consumes. I definitely plan on tackling the time-line shenanigans at some point. Nioh is a thing! I will bring up what evidence I have, and try to paint the picture of what really transpired with the Serpents. Primordial serpents are never stated to be soul hungry or destructive. No, if you talk to Frampt, once you have the lordvessel, Kaathe will disappear FOREVER. Posts: 24441. Would the two opposing serpents really both be living side by side in this city? They are similar to the ones in Lothric in the sense that the artist seems to be attempting to interpret what the body of the serpents might actually look like. He was voiced by Peter Marinker, who also voiced Kingseeker Frampt and Eingyi. FextraBot Town Crier. However, it all seems to fit together quite nicely, and make for a nice little narrative, wouldn't you say? Kingseeker Frampt; Darkstalker Kaathe (Dark Souls) Tragic Romance; Politics; Ambiguous Relationships; Morally Ambiguous Character; Summary. Pump-a-rum And now that we know he is dead, we'll never know why he did it. Admittedly, I can't really prove that its all true. [–]Seraph199PSN: seraphita199 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (4 children). re: I can't see Darkstalker Kaathe Like I said with the boss souls hang on to them if you plan on going into ng+ then keep them since most souls can create two different weapons or shield ash_alexia He needed to be able to lure in an undead mighty enough to succeed Gwyn. However, the same can be said of Kaathe. © Valve Corporation. Each item gives us a hint at what he sees the most value in. One thing you can do if you accidently talked to Frampt, you can run away before he finishes his speak and you can talk to Kaathe anyway. Why would we do that if he has no presence in the DLC? The tunnel in Frampt's hole leads us out to the cliff overlooking the Ringed City. She forgets most of this. But how does Frampt react when you side against him? Then both versions of the theory would be true at the same time. Based on Kaathe's dialogue, and Frampt's reaction when you side with Kaathe, we know that these two serpents are aware of each other's existence, and likely aware of each other's plans. Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:27 pm. Prerequisite. Is it just a fun throwback? He is a creature that consumes. The idea that he would just bow down to you so easily, as an ally to the Gods, who is against the coming of a Dark Lord, seems... odd. Not even in the end does the opposite serpent show up for a last ditch attempt to convince you otherwise. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 10181 on r2-app-07fa2a8c9fa1f218b at 2020-12-04 14:42:38.699149+00:00 running a7f2daa country code: GB. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. This is brilliant! Why would Kaathe get himself killed by suddenly deciding to go ravenous for souls? So, it is the act of placing the Lordvessel on the altar that causes Kaathe to not appear, not the act of talking to Frampt. The Serpent rings, after all, are the rings that give you more souls and items. [–]TheSpiritForce[S] 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago* (2 children). Collecting the pieces of the Dark Soul, surprisingly isn't really part of his plan. I'm not exactly sure what to do with the Lordvessel. He consumes items you bring him. It was all just another part of the plan. He loves Gwyn's soul, and gives you a lot in return for it, but dislikes the soul of Manus, which he gives you not even half the worth of Gwyn's soul. After all, many are by the fire, forsaken. Which makes things even more confusing if that is something that we need to think about seriously. [–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child), Amazing work skeleton! No, Manus is not the furtive Pygmy, he is the Father of what we know as modern day man within the Dark Souls world, an offshoot of the Pygmy race, likely a creation of the Gods. They Can Be Killed. Encounters. Details and Calculator for Restrictions here. If successful, this is where the plan splits. For this reason, it was in his interest to devise a plan that not only would eventually bring him a Dark Lord, but that would also lure in fire-linkers to buy him time until he found the Dark Lord of his desire. 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